This is Amde Sidik's reply to Samad's email on 22 January 2008 ( his instantaneous reply that very day), see also below, responses from friends.
See also what others have to say below...
Asslamlkm
who is replying this? You Sdr Samad
I think you really is missing the point; this is not the only articles I wrote about Islam if only you care to know how I view Islam...
I made the point at the very beginning -I did not even argue or mind or did I mention something wrong about sms? No! You surely don't understand what I wrote unless you intentionally to want to argue as you may find lacuna in some phrases I used- creative writing I called it. I have written something on Wahhabism may be that would help you to understand my mind.
There is no need to highlight those verses to support your argument I do read, not least than five translations of Quran on my shelves as my reference every now and then (that bit natty gritty). The only slack perhaps all are in English, non Malay, and because I don't understand Arabic. A couple of months ago I was at
The article I wrote has connection with the forthcoming article and series of articles, I also mention that lots more qualification to be done if you dare to bear with me. I am a writer not even a reporter let alone a journalist. I am not oversensitive but it is just my duty as a writer to highlight if there is anything new that we people need to know. I am sure plenty of things that we ought to know not just should know about our religion beside reading the Quran and listening to Friday Khutbahs, especially in
This is what happen to most of us, when looking at pin hole any subject for that matter, but it would be worse on subject like religion, taking a few phrases as if a cul de sac.
The sms I was referring to was from my relative and cum friend (he might be reading this), between him and I, we talk about religion and how we view it. We are as concerned as anyone else though lacking of formal religious education unlike you. Because the way our religious education is imparted to our younger generation in years to come it can either turn them Taliban or something totally opposite- we have seen the manifestation in the recent years, if you dare to guess what I referring to, by all means do it. I can simply say, they shouldn't be just asked to swallow but to understand it-religion and Islam in particular, i.e., if we want to have quality ummah.
For those who have been following my writing the parrot theory-may be you should comment on this to make me a better person, also perhaps other people can see between you and I. May be you have no opportunity to follow my work, but stain of the idea can be seen in my three books I wrote. May be they would provide an inkling if we are far apart on how we view Islam. I repeat Islam not religion.
If any one wants to have a debate with me on the subject person to person I am most willing, unless of course some want to make this as public consumption and I am also prepared to write given ample time I shall continue.
Wassalm, amde sidik
Waalaikumsalam wbt,
Yes, its me Abdul Samat bin Kasah, I think my e-mail is familiar to you. Firstly I just would like to mention to your goodself that I did not dispute the SMS you received which I stated that clearly in my statement. My comments were directed to your views about Islam and al-Quran as stated in your e-mail. Before I wrote a reply to your e-mail, I contacted 3 persons whom I think are the authority to speak on Islam. Surprisingly, all the three of them shared a common view on what you have stated in your e-mail. We could be wrong!
May be my English is so POOR, which made my interpretation went so WRONG as you've rightly said "I think you really is missing the point". I read your e-mail more than 10 times to really understand words by words, sentance by sentance to understand what you have said, and still not satisfied I contacted 3 other person for verification. We might be wrong and if we have interpreted your view points wrongly, please accept my appologies.
I have to produce the verses from al-quran and al-hadith as dalils to support my arguement because those are the only credible sources to be used when we want to discuss about Islam, BUT if you said those are "(that bit natty gritty)", THEN I REST MY CASE.
Semoga Tuan Haji sentiasa diberi rahmat dan hidayah serta petunjuk dari Allah SWT. Amin.
Wasslam.
abdul samat bin kasah
subang jaya
On 15/01/2008, Lahat Bin Ahok <lahat@tm.com.my> wrote:
Bah…jaan tah kamu batangkaa. Baik tah kamu duduk sama2 minum kopi. Bincang2 pasal majuakan bangsa kadayan kita. Soal pemahaman tentang ugama tu hantap subjective nya bah. Inda ku baani ngomen. Yang aku pasti ISLAM IALAH UGAMA KU.
Aslkm Sdr Lahat
TQ, I am on my way to give lecture, but can't resist of not saying hi! to you after the hohahoha I called it (I am typing this on the corridor) Samad's construing that I am disputing what’s in the Quran. He knows my religious education, why couldn't he just picked a phone and called me before he even wasted his time looking for religious experts. By this way, is called friend, by this way is called saudara, by this way is called Islamic virtue - a way of defending the sanctity of our religion, rather than making it as public domain. I am 100% sure those religious experts he turned to wouldn't know who Amde Sidik is. Or he should have asked you, you people are in constant watch on me, i.e., if I am turning.....360 degree. I shall be refining that article some time in the future, because as I mentioned there a layman way of looking, wouldn’t suitable for technical persons. But I still like physic as a subject when compounded with logic.
Your proposal duduk minum kopi I have no difficulty, it is my ritual. I have asked Samad many times on this, I asked for his phone number recently before I went to overseas. I asked him if there are Kadayan who wish to hear about little anecdotes of Kadayan or meet we must in KL warong, I long to see how he looks like. I shall speak Kadayan when I meet. My Kadayan is better than my Malay when come to serious talk. I have mentioned I shall be in KL soon surely I am happy to see my saudara even if has to bring a few ustazs.
Salam to all saudara, seek for knowledge wherever you are, we are nearing sunset don't waste time unnecessarily but improvise each other that is an Islamic gesture.
salam, amde sidik
Since 1999, this is the first time two learned kadayans, both of
them are from my internet circle, and both of them are very
supportive to my work ever since, openly expressing disagreement
in public.
What is happening?
Coincidently [ its really coincidence, I don't even know about
this email till just now] today I wrote something in my blog
http://arimi.ath.cx
I have my own opinions about many things, the Islamic faith included. It is good that we discuss this openly. However, I am too busy with grassroots politics to bother with this at the moment.
By the way, the sender of the SMS in question was me.
Hj Ramlee Dua
On 24/01/2008, Hj Ramlee Dua
Each of us should have views on our own with regards to items put forward. It can be enlightened by positioning our mind into the real world as seen today, if it were to make real sense. But, all too often, as I observed people are conditioning themselves, if not barricading themselves to a point that others views are irrelevant, especially in religion. I wonder how many would read when they see, how many would see when they read, and how many would think intelligently other than just making a passing remarks- I called it cutting corners, I am not dwarfing this circle of ours but merely saying I don't think some are up to the mark to discussing (real discussion) with the exception of very-very few. Because such limited scope they are exposed to they are vulnerable not only to others' interpretations but his own interpretations- that university degree one has wouldn't mean much when one can't even lift one eyes to see what above the eye brows (referring to my experience here)
- amde sidik
Saidin Gandul gsaidin@gmail.com
Us. Ahmad Adnan Fadzil,
Pusat Bimbingan Wawasan Ummah,
Changlun, Kedah.
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its getting interesting column, keep it up
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